1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,780 I 2 00:00:10,340 --> 00:00:07,460 jim has said that this was like nothing 3 00:00:12,049 --> 00:00:10,350 he had ever seen before and to this day 4 00:00:14,779 --> 00:00:12,059 I mean obviously we can have a debate 5 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:14,789 about secret prototype spy planes and 6 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:16,920 drones and sure thing they'll be things 7 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:19,199 out there that you won't see publicly 8 00:00:24,890 --> 00:00:22,590 declared for 10-15 years but but the 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:24,900 Reynolds from forest incident occurred 10 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:27,570 over 30 years ago and to this day Jim 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:30,720 Jim is is absolutely steadfast in saying 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:32,850 well there's nothing that can come close 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:35,010 to this in terms of what it looks like 14 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:38,250 but specifically the maneuvers it did 15 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:43,340 and this thing was on the ground Jim 16 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:48,710 shot off a number of photographs of this 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:52,590 he was subsequently told by the base 18 00:00:59,870 --> 00:00:55,410 processing lab that his film didn't come 19 00:01:03,799 --> 00:00:59,880 out maybe there was radiation maybe the 20 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:03,809 bright light did something maybe the you 21 00:01:09,289 --> 00:01:05,670 know whatever he was told the film was 22 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:09,299 fogged whether you believe that or not I 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:12,299 don't know but Jim then had the presence 24 00:01:19,849 --> 00:01:15,450 of mind after he'd shot off the whole 25 00:01:23,809 --> 00:01:19,859 roll of film to take out his his police 26 00:01:27,289 --> 00:01:23,819 notebook and he just now started making 27 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:27,299 sketches documenting some thoughts some 28 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:31,560 observations he sketched the craft and 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:35,340 he sketched strange symbols on the side 30 00:01:46,659 --> 00:01:42,810 of the craft and just to show you what 31 00:01:50,809 --> 00:01:46,669 what this thing looked like no well 32 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:50,819 there we are that's that's a sketch that 33 00:01:58,339 --> 00:01:53,700 Jim made this is from his original 34 00:02:03,149 --> 00:01:58,349 police Nate notebook this is a sketch of 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:05,870 you can see what he tried to do was 36 00:02:12,809 --> 00:02:09,970 sketch it from the side a kind of from 37 00:02:16,530 --> 00:02:12,819 back and slightly disconcerting a sketch 38 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:16,540 of the craft from above now this has led 39 00:02:21,869 --> 00:02:19,750 to the question well Jim how would you 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:21,879 have seen it from above and this takes 41 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:25,690 us to some fairly potentially 42 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:28,390 disquieting areas that may be Jim's not 43 00:02:36,619 --> 00:02:31,000 too comfortable with in speculating 44 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:40,710 John Barros just saw a bright flash of 45 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:45,160 light and kind of hit the deck Jim said 46 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:47,650 he saw John go down he thought he was a 47 00:02:54,420 --> 00:02:51,489 casualty John doesn't quite recollect it 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:54,430 this way and one of the other witnesses 49 00:02:59,009 --> 00:02:56,890 said well John I saw you and this is the 50 00:03:02,039 --> 00:02:59,019 phrase and it's a really striking one 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:02,049 it's John I saw you go into the light 52 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:06,730 and again where was John during all this 53 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:09,400 wire John's memory is slightly different 54 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:11,889 from Jim's it's like all these people 55 00:03:16,289 --> 00:03:14,049 went into the forest and encountered 56 00:03:19,530 --> 00:03:16,299 this all of them came back with slightly 57 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:19,540 different kind of recollections and 58 00:03:25,589 --> 00:03:23,230 experiences for people who initially 59 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:25,599 speculated that this was some kind of 60 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:30,060 bizarre hoax oh you know I've kind of 61 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:33,549 come across in my government UFO work a 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:35,859 few hoaxes and what I tend to find is 63 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:37,810 that when you're dealing with a hoax 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:40,739 everyone's kind of colluded and 65 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:42,730 collaborated on the story and the 66 00:03:47,729 --> 00:03:45,190 stories exactly the same when you get 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:47,739 these real incidents well people are 68 00:03:51,089 --> 00:03:49,690 people there individuals they remember 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:51,099 things different way they perceive 70 00:03:59,159 --> 00:03:54,130 things different way in a real story you 71 00:04:02,670 --> 00:03:59,169 do get the difference is there are a 72 00:04:04,589 --> 00:04:02,680 number of other reasons while I this is 73 00:04:07,349 --> 00:04:04,599 clearly not a hoax and I'll come on to 74 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:07,359 the physical evidence in a minute but 75 00:04:14,849 --> 00:04:10,900 just to show you this is Jim's sketch 76 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:14,859 from his police notebook of the UH craft 77 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:16,900 he also saw along the 78 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:20,019 site of this thing strange symbols on 79 00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:22,750 the hull and I mean you know I used the 80 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:25,360 word hull because come on this this is 81 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:27,460 not this isn't aircraft lights or 82 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:31,919 weather balloon this is a craft and no 83 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:37,060 these are the the symbols that Jim saw 84 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:44,770 and this thing was on the ground and Jim 85 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:47,889 as he made his way along he touched 86 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:53,560 these symbols and kind of when he 87 00:04:58,500 --> 00:04:56,440 touched the last one it was like 88 00:05:04,730 --> 00:04:58,510 suddenly the flash of light and he 89 00:05:08,159 --> 00:05:04,740 thought oh and the UFO gradually 90 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:08,169 ascended vertically very very slowly it 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:12,389 cleared the canopy this was a very small 92 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:16,570 clearing the trees were maybe 30 40 50 93 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:20,680 feet high the somewhere yeah between 94 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:24,310 that and maybe even taller when the UFO 95 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:29,520 had cleared the treetops it suddenly 96 00:05:36,779 --> 00:05:33,120 accelerated away at high speed and Jim 97 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:36,789 just you know I like a lot of these 98 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:38,800 military witnesses that I've interviewed 99 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:42,760 in my government UFO work this is a guy 100 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:45,490 who saw fast jets on an almost daily 101 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:49,210 basis and again he said the speed the 102 00:05:53,129 --> 00:05:51,310 acceleration here is just orders of 103 00:05:56,159 --> 00:05:53,139 magnitude above anything he'd seen and 104 00:06:01,110 --> 00:05:56,169 he wrote in his police notebook the 105 00:06:02,310 --> 00:06:01,120 simple phrase speed impossible because 106 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:02,320 he didn't know what else to say about 107 00:06:12,149 --> 00:06:08,680 this yeah they had some other sightings 108 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:12,159 of the object in the distance and they 109 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:14,770 attempted to pursue it again they were 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:17,169 not successfully didn't get close to it 111 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:21,010 again they went back to the base and I I 112 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:23,710 don't have time to speculate too much 113 00:06:28,019 --> 00:06:25,330 about this but when they got back they 114 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:28,029 found that there were you know the whole 115 00:06:30,990 --> 00:06:30,340 base was in a state of panic and the 116 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:31,000 reason 117 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:33,580 was that they had been gone for longer 118 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:37,180 than they were aware and there was a 119 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:40,060 discrepancy and in the wristwatches and 120 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:43,180 it appeared that both John and Jim had 121 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:46,000 been out there for 45 minutes longer 122 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:51,310 than they were aware and and they were 123 00:06:58,260 --> 00:06:54,130 about to send other patrols out to 124 00:07:01,740 --> 00:06:58,270 investigate so you know I don't have 125 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:01,750 time to really speculate about that time 126 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:04,120 difference but certainly those people 127 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:06,270 that look at the whole alien abduction 128 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:09,490 mystery and and its interface with the 129 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:11,590 wider UFO phenomenon will be familiar 130 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:15,400 with this concept of missing time and 131 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:19,240 again you probably spotted that I was 132 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:21,190 hinting at that when i talked about how 133 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:23,020 the heck would Jim have a view of the 134 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:25,780 top of the craft how did how did he get 135 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:31,330 that perspective so that's a it's one of 136 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:34,450 many areas with this case that as more 137 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:36,540 and more witnesses come forward 138 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:41,160 investigations are still ongoing now 139 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:43,870 once they got back to base they were 140 00:07:51,030 --> 00:07:48,550 debriefed about this and again there are 141 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:51,040 lots of allegations made about the 142 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:52,990 aggressive debriefing that some of these 143 00:08:00,570 --> 00:07:55,240 people who were involved in this 144 00:08:02,340 --> 00:08:00,580 underwent I'll maybe come back and touch 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:02,350 on that but I want to just stay in 146 00:08:07,730 --> 00:08:04,090 sequence for the moment and say that 147 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:07,740 there was a second night of activity 148 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:15,910 involving B flight and I few of these B 149 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:18,340 flight personnel are on the record but 150 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:20,680 there are a couple of them that that did 151 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:23,530 go on the record and again what 152 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:26,310 transpired in the second night is that 153 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:29,370 strange lights were seen and again a 154 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:34,060 military vehicle with a patrol of cops 155 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:36,969 went out there to look at this and at 156 00:08:44,710 --> 00:08:40,690 one point on the second night apparently 157 00:08:49,090 --> 00:08:44,720 a ball of light small ball of light 158 00:08:53,949 --> 00:08:49,100 passed through the open window on one 159 00:08:57,579 --> 00:08:53,959 side of the cab shot in front of the two 160 00:09:01,019 --> 00:08:57,589 people who are up front and exited the 161 00:09:06,429 --> 00:09:01,029 open window at the other side of the cab 162 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,439 causing the lieutenant to be so shocked 163 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:08,480 and distressed that they were 164 00:09:16,119 --> 00:09:11,649 subsequently had to be taken off duty 165 00:09:19,650 --> 00:09:16,129 and there were several witnesses to this 166 00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:19,660 there was a the lieutenant a sergeant 167 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:23,360 and a whole bunch of other Airmen and 168 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:27,290 air women who were there at the time the 169 00:09:33,069 --> 00:09:30,680 third night of activity was was kind of 170 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:33,079 you know in a sense the icing on the 171 00:09:39,809 --> 00:09:36,980 cake and what happened there was that 172 00:09:48,269 --> 00:09:39,819 there was a there was an award ceremony 173 00:09:51,009 --> 00:09:48,279 going on at woodys bar and the senior 174 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:51,019 the base commander and the deputy base 175 00:09:57,429 --> 00:09:53,990 commander were essentially just about to 176 00:09:59,740 --> 00:09:57,439 present a whole bunch of prizes to to 177 00:10:07,540 --> 00:09:59,750 various people for the year's 178 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:07,550 performance and suddenly Colonel Colonel 179 00:10:11,619 --> 00:10:09,430 Ted Conrad was the base commander 180 00:10:13,119 --> 00:10:11,629 Lieutenant Colonel Charles halt was the 181 00:10:18,009 --> 00:10:13,129 deputy base commander they were kind of 182 00:10:23,079 --> 00:10:18,019 getting their notes together and Bruce 183 00:10:26,019 --> 00:10:23,089 England the lieutenant in charge of 184 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:26,029 security and policing came up and he 185 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:30,740 said you know he was white as a sheet he 186 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:33,850 saluted and he just said sir its back 187 00:10:38,579 --> 00:10:36,170 well they were all kind of looking 188 00:10:43,179 --> 00:10:38,589 confused and it was like what's bag 189 00:10:49,329 --> 00:10:43,189 Bruce England said the UFO sir the UFO 190 00:10:51,790 --> 00:10:49,339 has come back well Conrad and halt kind 191 00:10:55,629 --> 00:10:51,800 of thought well you know we've got to do 192 00:10:58,430 --> 00:10:55,639 something about this and rank having its 193 00:11:00,470 --> 00:10:58,440 privileges Colonel Khan 194 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:00,480 rad decided that he was going to stay in 195 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:03,600 the warm and convivial atmosphere of the 196 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:06,150 bar and he would present the awards and 197 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:08,580 the Lieutenant Colonel Charles hold well 198 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:10,980 he would go out into the cold December 199 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:13,620 night on the East Coast and those of you 200 00:11:19,010 --> 00:11:16,410 who are ex-military who have ever been 201 00:11:20,570 --> 00:11:19,020 posted to any of those British bases 202 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:20,580 will know that it gets pretty cold in 203 00:11:28,010 --> 00:11:24,930 the winter so Colonel halt threw 204 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:28,020 together a small team of individuals to 205 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:33,720 go out and in his words in in Colonel 206 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:35,700 Holt's own words he said I want to go 207 00:11:41,510 --> 00:11:39,450 out and debunked this UFO nonsense for 208 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:41,520 once and for all so that we can put 209 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:45,660 these wild rumors which clearly with so 210 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:48,180 many people having experienced UFO 211 00:11:52,060 --> 00:11:50,610 sightings sometimes up close and 212 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:52,070 personal on the previous two nights 213 00:11:56,450 --> 00:11:54,810 Colonel halt of course like this all the 214 00:12:01,310 --> 00:11:56,460 senior officers they wanted this whole 215 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:01,320 thing to go away so Colonel halt threw 216 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:04,050 together a team of four or five people 217 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:08,700 and he went out into the forest to try 218 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:13,590 and debunk all this and to cut a long 219 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:16,020 story short he was not able to debunk 220 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:18,240 this because he ended up encountering 221 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:23,090 the UFO himself I'll get to that but I 222 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:27,270 just back up a little while and say that 223 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:29,130 one of the things that Colonel halt 224 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:30,960 wanted to do to get to the bottom of 225 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:35,930 this is he wanted to light up the forest 226 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:39,870 and flush out anything that was there he 227 00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:42,060 said if there's something going on I 228 00:12:48,579 --> 00:12:44,430 want to put so much light out there that 229 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:48,589 will flush it out and what he did is he 230 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:51,270 he ordered that a whole bunch of light 231 00:12:58,490 --> 00:12:54,000 all's be driven out there now light 232 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:58,500 all's are basically powerful banks of 233 00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:01,680 lights mounted on the back of a flatbed 234 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:05,220 or a truck and they're used a lot in 235 00:13:10,370 --> 00:13:07,620 things like aircraft maintenance in the 236 00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:10,380 hangers you put a you know you shine a 237 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:12,030 lot of light on those 238 00:13:18,790 --> 00:13:15,600 dark difficult to access spaces so that 239 00:13:21,950 --> 00:13:18,800 the mechanics can can get in there and 240 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:21,960 halts idea was to light up the forest 241 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:24,930 with these light all's and see what was 242 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:30,480 was out there so he'd ordered that this 243 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:33,540 happen and then you know just like the 244 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:37,620 radio's the light holes suddenly started 245 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:40,560 to splutter and died you know all these 246 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:42,990 lights were going out and Holt was 247 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:44,790 getting pretty bad tempered and he was 248 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:46,710 screaming into the radio and giving 249 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:52,140 orders left right and center and yeah 250 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:54,870 again like the radio's the people people 251 00:14:00,200 --> 00:13:57,450 I've spoken to who who were familiar 252 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:00,210 with these these things said that they 253 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:02,790 at Bentwaters in woodbridge they they 254 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:04,680 were well serviced the they've never 255 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:06,720 seen anything like this before it's like 256 00:14:11,570 --> 00:14:09,810 you know it's like are they not fueled 257 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:11,580 up properly or something so they were 258 00:14:17,330 --> 00:14:13,740 refueled they were sent out but they 259 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:17,340 they kept malfunctioning and again it 260 00:14:25,370 --> 00:14:21,390 was as if I try not to make too many 261 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:25,380 assumptions in this I in in when I was 262 00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:27,510 investigating UFOs for the Ministry of 263 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:30,660 Defence our our policy was always to try 264 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:34,110 and not be conclusion led in our 265 00:14:39,950 --> 00:14:36,870 investigations to go where the data take 266 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:39,960 you and not to to make assumptions but 267 00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:42,480 one can't help on occasion I mean you 268 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:44,550 know it's just human nature to assume 269 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:48,570 that that when when the radio start 270 00:14:55,580 --> 00:14:51,750 malfunctioning when when the film's you 271 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:55,590 know the cameras don't work when when 272 00:15:04,280 --> 00:14:58,560 the light halls don't work it's it's 273 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:04,290 like a string of events which stretch 274 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:07,110 credulity a little too much in 275 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:09,690 suggesting that this is just coincidence 276 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:15,420 or bad like all these things sometimes 277 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:18,990 in intelligence 11 again anyone with a 278 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:21,480 background in intelligence will know 279 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:24,150 that very often you know it's not quite 280 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:25,980 like you see in the movies but 281 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:28,770 a lot of intelligence workers is looking 282 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:31,950 at data and finding patterns doing trend 283 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:34,170 analysis trying to put together a 284 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:37,830 picture of what you think is going on so 285 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:42,650 you can brief senior commanders and so 286 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:45,990 while halt was waiting for the light 287 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:50,310 holes to be you know refueled and for 288 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:52,380 them to be functioning he thought well I 289 00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:55,800 might as well we we might as well go to 290 00:16:02,780 --> 00:15:59,940 the site of the the encounter on the 291 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:02,790 first night and and see if we can see 292 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:06,810 anything and I mentioned the fact that 293 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:09,060 there was physical evidence and by the 294 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:12,330 way I'll back up one more time to say 295 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:16,410 that on the first night just at the time 296 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:20,310 when the UFO was first seen it later 297 00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:26,070 emerged that radar bases in the UK and 298 00:16:35,330 --> 00:16:31,040 indeed civilian air traffic control 299 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:35,340 briefly tracked what was referred to 300 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:39,060 either as an uncorrelated target or in 301 00:16:48,950 --> 00:16:43,830 military parlance a bogey so an unknown 302 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:48,960 radar target directly over the twin 303 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:51,090 bases of bent orders in woodbridge right 304 00:16:55,070 --> 00:16:52,950 when the people said you know we're 305 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,080 seeing these strange lights and what 306 00:16:59,690 --> 00:16:57,360 happened was it was there for two or 307 00:17:03,710 --> 00:16:59,700 three sweeps of the radar and then it 308 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:03,720 disappeared now did it kind of cloak 309 00:17:11,450 --> 00:17:08,360 itself somehow go into stealth mode or 310 00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:11,460 did it disappear because that's the 311 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:14,550 point at which it actually landed and it 312 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:16,710 dropped below the radar coverage I don't 313 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,690 know the answer to that but I throw out 314 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:24,240 the question for what it's worth and I 315 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:26,520 apologize by the way if my voice is a 316 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:30,360 bit croaky I have been hit with some bug 317 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:32,550 it wasn't the government trying to 318 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:34,530 silence me 319 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:36,850 you know if it was they would have 320 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:38,550 probably done a better job than that and 321 00:17:46,730 --> 00:17:41,110 anyway I used to work for them so what 322 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:50,040 so Colonel halt yeah you know so yeah 323 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:54,490 the UFO was briefly tracked on radar did 324 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:56,110 it disappear because it was stealthy or 325 00:18:01,560 --> 00:17:58,650 because it landed or both I don't know 326 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:01,570 so fast falling again to Colonel halt 327 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:03,610 and his team can't they come to the 328 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:05,650 clearing where John Burroughs and Jim 329 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:09,960 Penniston encountered this this UFO on 330 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:19,060 the first night and what they find the 331 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:20,710 first thing they notice is that there 332 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:26,850 are three indentations on the ground 333 00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:29,490 right in the center of the clearing 334 00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:33,760 exactly exactly at the point where John 335 00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:35,560 and Jim said well that's where the UFO 336 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:37,870 was kind of sitting probably like on 337 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:40,570 legs if you if you look at this thing it 338 00:18:45,810 --> 00:18:43,570 doesn't look a million miles similar 339 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:45,820 from from the sort of space probes that 340 00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:49,180 we've sent to to Mars and the moon you 341 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:52,120 know a kind of high-tech lunar landing 342 00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:54,510 module or something like that and and 343 00:19:00,990 --> 00:18:57,400 they said yeah this thing seemed to be 344 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,000 on legs or some sort of tripod like 345 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:03,520 device again interesting i'm probably 346 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:07,810 kind of poaching on Jim Mars's territory 347 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:09,700 a little bit but isn't it interesting 348 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:11,830 how a number three and triangles 349 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:15,550 pyramids run through a lot of this I 350 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:18,400 mean the UFO on three legs the 351 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:22,000 indentations when they plotted them out 352 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:25,870 formed that the shape of a triangle and 353 00:19:30,990 --> 00:19:28,270 of course when you look at these symbols 354 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,000 the big symbol the the big one the the 355 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:33,280 one that that caused that the UFO to 356 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:35,230 light up and then it took off when Jim 357 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:37,870 touched it was this this one at the 358 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:42,640 bottom the circle the circles and the 359 00:19:48,450 --> 00:19:45,310 triangle in in the other circle and 360 00:19:51,910 --> 00:19:48,460 again again like I say I'm probably 361 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:51,920 encroaching on to Jim's territory a 362 00:19:58,510 --> 00:19:54,890 little but I I know there are a whole 363 00:20:02,980 --> 00:19:58,520 bunch of people interested in the 364 00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:02,990 symbolism of this is it occult symbolism 365 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:05,960 is it you know one can draw parallels 366 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:09,140 throughout history with the number three 367 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:11,900 I mean my my goodness you know the 368 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,770 Trinity again but that's that's probably 369 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:17,600 somebody else's presentation it's not 370 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:19,850 mine I just throw it out there as as 371 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:23,600 food for thought so when Colonel halt 372 00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:27,370 and his team see these three 373 00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:30,470 indentations it's kind of like the 374 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:34,280 validation that yeah well you know there 375 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:36,170 was something there right where John and 376 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,320 Jim said there was on that first night 377 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:42,080 and the other point I mentioned a few 378 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:44,990 moments ago that it's pretty darn cold 379 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:48,590 in the UK and winter the ground was 380 00:20:58,830 --> 00:20:52,420 really hard and frozen and Colonel halt 381 00:21:01,480 --> 00:20:58,840 speculated estimated that this object 382 00:21:04,150 --> 00:21:01,490 whatever it is to make those 383 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:04,160 indentations with the ground being as 384 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:06,470 hard as it was would have made several 385 00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:12,730 tons and part of the investigation later 386 00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:15,620 consisted of it sounds pretty low-tech 387 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:18,440 but actually it was quite clever pouring 388 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:23,630 a plaster of Paris into the indentations 389 00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:26,270 and then taking a mold of what they look 390 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:30,380 like to actually get a reconstruction of 391 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:34,250 the landing legs of this craft one of 392 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:38,090 those molds subsequently disappeared but 393 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:42,290 I believe that either Colonel halt or 394 00:21:47,410 --> 00:21:45,530 Jim Penniston still have one of them so 395 00:21:51,370 --> 00:21:47,420 there is some physical evidence out 396 00:21:57,810 --> 00:21:51,380 there that the government didn't manage 397 00:22:00,550 --> 00:21:57,820 to get maybe they got the other one so 398 00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:00,560 Colonel halt having gone out thinking 399 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:01,820 this was all nonsense 400 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:03,170 this is obviously a little bit 401 00:22:09,340 --> 00:22:07,070 disconcerting and even more 402 00:22:11,170 --> 00:22:09,350 disconcerting was what happened next 403 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,180 because one of the people in his team 404 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:13,520 was the disaster preparedness officer 405 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:18,980 Monroe nevels Monroe nevels had with him 406 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:23,360 a Geiger counter and Colonel halt said 407 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:26,270 well go around the clearing and take 408 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:29,930 some readings so neville's got out the 409 00:22:35,860 --> 00:22:32,930 Geiger counter and he started poking 410 00:22:39,970 --> 00:22:35,870 around and when he got to the three 411 00:22:45,970 --> 00:22:39,980 indentations suddenly he started getting 412 00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:45,980 some clicks and then and and those 413 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:48,740 clicks peaked right right in the the 414 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:51,310 indentations and in the the center of 415 00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:54,410 this where this thing would have come 416 00:23:00,970 --> 00:22:56,990 down and then they kind of looked around 417 00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,980 and they had flashlights with them I was 418 00:23:06,850 --> 00:23:03,440 going to say they have torches us Brits 419 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:06,860 call yeah it's like I I've given this 420 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:10,100 presentation in them in America before 421 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:11,570 and I've said and they had their torches 422 00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:13,610 with them and people have said what 423 00:23:18,850 --> 00:23:15,920 these guys weren't carrying torches were 424 00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:18,860 they nuts and I suddenly realized that 425 00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:21,560 oh you you got what what you call a 426 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:26,420 flashlight we we call a torch you know 427 00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:28,250 what is it they say two countries 428 00:23:34,270 --> 00:23:32,420 divided by a common language it's it's a 429 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:34,280 good job that they didn't stop for a 430 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:36,530 cigarette break because the British 431 00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:47,410 slang for a cigarette is a it's a so 432 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:51,560 are they anyway Carol halt and his team 433 00:23:59,880 --> 00:23:55,100 had flashlights with them and they were 434 00:24:03,520 --> 00:23:59,890 able to see that the sides of the trees 435 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:03,530 are in this clearing we're all kind of 436 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:10,310 scorched and burnt and blackened and so 437 00:24:15,630 --> 00:24:13,400 Monroe nevels put his Geiger counter all 438 00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:15,640 sides of the trees and again 439 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:20,620 peak readings from those those trees but 440 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:23,910 not from the other side of the trees the 441 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:28,570 physically visible burn marks and indeed 442 00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:32,970 the the high levels of radioactivity 443 00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:37,240 were only on the inward facing side of 444 00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:39,340 the trees so that you know where this 445 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:41,230 thing was in the center of the clearing 446 00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:44,590 and whatever it is had had nearly burnt 447 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:48,990 down those trees and and had caused 448 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:53,200 radioactivity levels to spike but not on 449 00:25:05,520 --> 00:24:58,090 on the other sides and of course all of 450 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:05,530 this was documented and later when the 451 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:09,100 data were sent to the british ministry 452 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:13,270 of defence the Defence Intelligence 453 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:17,590 staff an ultra secretive part of the 454 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:20,890 Ministry of Defence whose role in UFO 455 00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:23,380 research and investigation was only made 456 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:27,940 public uh very much later and was 457 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:30,430 certainly not something that that I was 458 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,530 able to talk about at the time but these 459 00:25:38,610 --> 00:25:34,480 scientific and technical intelligence 460 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:38,620 specialists assess the radioactivity 461 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:42,370 levels reported by Monroe nevels and 462 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:45,460 Colonel halt and said that they were 463 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:51,010 about 7.5 times higher than the average 464 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:55,210 background and there is a I mean the 465 00:26:01,530 --> 00:25:58,450 great thing about this case and I don't 466 00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:01,540 have slides because documents you know 467 00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:03,640 from the Ministry of Defence don't don't 468 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:06,060 tend to kind of reproduce very well but 469 00:26:12,450 --> 00:26:09,010 some the great thing about this case is 470 00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:12,460 that we don't just have on the record 471 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,160 testimony from people like Colonel halt 472 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:17,740 though I think that having on the record 473 00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:20,350 testimony from from you know the deputy 474 00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:22,600 base commander is pretty good in the 475 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:25,030 scheme of things but we don't just have 476 00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:26,710 that we have an audit trail of 477 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:29,320 government documents and unlike some of 478 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:29,590 the 479 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:42,190 wider collection of Ministry of Defense 480 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,090 UFO files and one of the documents is 481 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,820 the original Defense Intelligence staff 482 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:51,600 assessment and it uses the phrase 483 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,610 significantly higher than the average 484 00:27:01,529 --> 00:26:56,080 background when it talks about these 485 00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:01,539 levels of radioactivity so they saw the 486 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:04,929 marks in the ground they saw the burn 487 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:08,590 marks on the trees they saw the the 488 00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,860 levels on on the radioactivity I you 489 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:13,840 know they saw the radiation levels they 490 00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:17,529 took samples of soil they took samples 491 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:21,640 of sap from the trees along with control 492 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:23,950 samples from outside of clearing and and 493 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:26,289 from trees that were not affected in 494 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:30,330 this way much of that material 495 00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:34,870 subsequently disappeared for anyone who 496 00:27:42,299 --> 00:27:38,799 thinks that and yeah one of the other 497 00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,309 documents in the British file on this 498 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:46,000 incident says that shortly after the the 499 00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:50,640 sightings occurred general Gabrielle 500 00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:53,860 visited the base was briefed on this and 501 00:28:00,419 --> 00:27:56,620 took various items of evidence back to 502 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:00,429 his headquarters in Ramstein Germany who 503 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:03,850 was general Gabrielle general gabrielle 504 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:07,870 was commander in chief united states air 505 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:11,620 force in europe he was the senior 506 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:17,250 youssef officer in europe why was senior 507 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:22,210 general in Europe flying in specially to 508 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:24,250 bend autos in woodbridge an immediate 509 00:28:29,549 --> 00:28:27,130 aftermath of this being briefed about 510 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:29,559 this taking these items back to his 511 00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:33,250 headquarters and why don't we know about 512 00:28:40,919 --> 00:28:37,000 this and wait a minute if you ask the 513 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,929 the government about this isn't the 514 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:43,120 official line suppose 515 00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:47,650 to be that UFOs are no longer of any 516 00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:49,960 interest to the US government and no 517 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:52,030 investigations have been undertaken 518 00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:54,250 since Project Blue Book was terminated 519 00:29:00,780 --> 00:28:57,580 at the end of nineteen sixty-nine that's 520 00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:00,790 the official line isn't it well if 521 00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:04,780 that's true why is C&C you say fee 522 00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:07,540 flying in and and being briefed about a 523 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:10,830 UFO sighting so again food for thought 524 00:29:21,419 --> 00:29:14,680 to get back to Colonel halt and his team 525 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:21,429 in the clearing at that point something 526 00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,070 happens and and one of the men shouts 527 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:26,559 out sir over a you know its back its 528 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:29,080 back and halt its is like what and it's 529 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:30,820 like through the trees look over there 530 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:36,300 and sure enough through the trees 531 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:40,330 Colonel halt saw this this strange light 532 00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:43,090 and I don't have it as part of my 533 00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:45,400 presentation but for those of you who 534 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:47,950 have not come across this go on to 535 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:51,520 youtube and just search on the phrase 536 00:30:06,180 --> 00:29:55,690 hole to tape and it's h alt by the way 537 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:06,190 not hol t that and Colonel halt and by 538 00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:07,750 the way the reason this is on tape is 539 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:12,670 that as the deputy base commander just 540 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,270 like Special Agent Dale Cooper in twin 541 00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:18,640 peaks and how cool is it that that's 542 00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:22,740 coming back on TV Colonel halt 543 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:25,420 habitually carried with him a handheld 544 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:27,940 cassette recorder on which to document 545 00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:30,970 his his observations and thoughts so all 546 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:33,100 this is on tape and if you if you put 547 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:36,190 the the phrase halt tape into YouTube 548 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:38,410 you can listen to this and you can 549 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:42,370 listen to the actual voice of Charles 550 00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:44,470 holt and some of the other people who 551 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:46,660 are out there you can hear them saying 552 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:49,210 hey get get the Geiger counter on that 553 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:51,670 hey we're getting clicks so all this is 554 00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:53,590 kind of on audio tape which is which 555 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:55,380 quite fun 556 00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:58,890 it's 17 minutes long they were actually 557 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:01,380 out there for three or four hours but 558 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:03,990 Colonel halt wasn't recording all the 559 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:06,390 time and there are allegations that 560 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:08,490 there are other parts of the tape that 561 00:31:15,050 --> 00:31:12,750 have yet to be made public but you 562 00:31:17,390 --> 00:31:15,060 suddenly here they're saying it's coming 563 00:31:20,390 --> 00:31:17,400 this way it's coming this way no doubt 564 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:20,400 about it this is weird and you can hear 565 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:22,350 the fear and tension in these men's 566 00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:24,690 voices as this can thing comes closer 567 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:29,880 and closer and at at one point this 568 00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:32,790 thing is is moving around rapidly in the 569 00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:36,990 sky conducting what Holt said reminded 570 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:41,400 him in a way of a grid search and then 571 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:46,650 at the climax of this encounter this 572 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:49,170 object is almost directly overhead and 573 00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:54,330 fires a narrow pencil thin beam of light 574 00:32:03,350 --> 00:31:58,830 down that strikes the ground just feet 575 00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:03,360 in front of them and again for those of 576 00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:05,790 you who hurt my presentation yesterday 577 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:07,830 where I briefly mentioned a case from 578 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:10,950 the UK in 1993 you'll know that this 579 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:13,410 idea of UFOs firing these narrow beams 580 00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,030 of light is something that comes up 581 00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:17,460 quite a lot in some of the most 582 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:22,620 compelling incidents that we have and so 583 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:25,590 the beam of light hits the ground just 584 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,160 in front of Colonel halt and his men and 585 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:31,260 looking back on it now Colonel halt has 586 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:34,470 speculated and he said you know was this 587 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:38,310 a weapon was this a warning was this 588 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:42,180 communication what was this he didn't 589 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:48,480 know the beam retracted they they saw 590 00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:50,730 all sorts of strange activity multiple 591 00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:52,800 objects in the sky they didn't get as 592 00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,350 close as John and Jim or on the first 593 00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:58,200 night so they didn't really get details 594 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:00,630 but again hold and and the other 595 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:02,820 witnesses that I've interviewed about 596 00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:05,250 this say that these speeds and maneuvers 597 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:09,240 just went above and beyond anything 598 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,770 even got now and these people have a 599 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:16,440 pretty good idea of what technology is 600 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:19,800 out there biet friendly you know us or 601 00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:23,700 UK allied nations in NATO or unfriendly 602 00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:27,870 and again they're you know when people 603 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:30,740 say that the speeds the maneuvers the 604 00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:33,390 acceleration unreal you know would have 605 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:36,870 killed any human occupant for example 606 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:39,630 with the sort of g-forces that that 607 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:41,910 would have been involved in in the turns 608 00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:44,040 that these things were performing I mean 609 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:46,920 you know again it all I think makes one 610 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:52,730 wonder what are we dealing with here and 611 00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:57,570 so the last thing that you hear on the 612 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:01,290 whole tape is they gone off the base out 613 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:03,330 into the forest they crossed a farmer's 614 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,830 field and they were then looking back 615 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:06,720 they all the time they were pursuing 616 00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,570 these UFOs and at one point like I say 617 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:12,000 it was directly overhead and then the 618 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,440 very final thing is they say the UFO is 619 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:19,200 back kind of where they started its 620 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:23,190 firing light beams down at woodbridge 621 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,260 base and you know I don't have time to 622 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:30,000 get into any of this but it's it's a 623 00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:33,810 case that's covered on the new serious 624 00:34:37,870 --> 00:34:36,390 UFOs declassified that's going to be 625 00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:37,880 coming here to Smithsonian Channel 626 00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:40,350 fairly soon look out for an episode 627 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:42,630 called Red Alert which is going to get 628 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,330 into to that it's on a number of other 629 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:48,480 TV shows too many of you will know their 630 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:50,930 look there's lots of speculation about 631 00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:54,780 the particular area of the base that 632 00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:57,540 these light beams actually struck and 633 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,980 impacted it was an area which was what i 634 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:03,780 can say is it's part of the weapons 635 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:06,540 storage area what i can say is it was 636 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:09,900 nicknamed hot row for some inexplicable 637 00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:12,930 reason that i couldn't possibly comment 638 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:19,200 on obviously there is speculation about 639 00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:25,260 I am still bound by the Official Secrets 640 00:35:32,849 --> 00:35:29,859 Act I can neither confirm nor deny the 641 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:32,859 presence of nuclear weapons at those 642 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:34,809 bases at the time but there are plenty 643 00:35:38,849 --> 00:35:36,520 of other people out there some of whom 644 00:35:40,829 --> 00:35:38,859 were posted there who are apparently a 645 00:35:43,549 --> 00:35:40,839 bit more free and easy about what they 646 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:43,559 say so you know good luck to them but 647 00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:46,390 again I throw that out and even though I 648 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:48,550 have to say neither confirm nor deny I 649 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:50,920 mean I think you can begin to piece 650 00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:53,410 together maybe the story that's 651 00:36:00,329 --> 00:35:56,140 unfolding here when we talk about the 652 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:00,339 the light beams impacting this this most 653 00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:04,000 critical area within these these twin 654 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:11,349 bases well that was the the three nights 655 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:15,250 of activity that there were subsequent 656 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:17,410 allegations which Colonel halt has 657 00:36:27,539 --> 00:36:23,020 validated that unmarked aircraft flew in 658 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:27,549 and out and strange personnel are often 659 00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,069 civilians just in in suits were kind of 660 00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,960 walking in walking around they were 661 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:37,390 accessing all areas they were maybe 662 00:36:44,789 --> 00:36:41,730 flying things back they were 663 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:44,799 interrogating some of the witnesses 664 00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:47,170 maybe even threatening them Colonel halt 665 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:49,180 has gone on the record to say that 666 00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:51,700 several young Airmen under his command 667 00:36:59,579 --> 00:36:55,839 were harshly interrogated with the both 668 00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,589 drugs and hypnosis being used if this is 669 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:01,930 if this sort of allegation just turned 670 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:03,880 up anonymously on the internet that's 671 00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:06,940 one thing when the former deputy base 672 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,960 commander of two of the most 673 00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:12,640 strategically important basis in the 674 00:37:17,849 --> 00:37:14,980 entire NATO alliance goes on the record 675 00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:17,859 to say that this happened i think in 676 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:21,220 evidential terms that takes it to a an 677 00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:24,010 entirely different level and I mean I 678 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:26,200 think stuff like that you can take it to 679 00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:30,670 the bank so there were allegations of 680 00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,069 threats the phrase bullets are cheap 681 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,880 yeah they're a dime a dozen was heard by 682 00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:39,130 several people apparently present at a 683 00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:41,830 briefing when they were told not to talk 684 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:44,140 about any of their UFO experiences and 685 00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,310 it's only really with now the British 686 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:50,800 government declassifying its files some 687 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:52,630 of the Blue Book files being more 688 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:55,120 accessible that that may be the full 689 00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,010 story will come out some people are 690 00:38:05,280 --> 00:37:59,740 talking some are still saying I'm not 691 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:05,290 going to discuss that one aspect of the 692 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:08,260 case which I did not mention at the time 693 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:10,330 but of course it's something which is 694 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:13,090 very controversial at the moment is the 695 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:15,790 so called binary message or the 696 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:18,070 Rendlesham code now I mentioned that 697 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:23,760 when Jim Penniston touched these symbols 698 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:27,190 particularly with the last one they the 699 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:30,490 whole thing lit up what he kept to 700 00:38:38,430 --> 00:38:35,920 himself for many years was that when he 701 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:38,440 touched that craft and there was this 702 00:38:45,210 --> 00:38:41,650 bright flash of light he received what 703 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:45,220 he could only describe as a telepathic 704 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:51,010 download and some days later he was 705 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,690 sitting at home and again he suddenly he 706 00:39:01,770 --> 00:38:57,760 said as if as if he was under a 707 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:01,780 compulsion he reached for his notebook 708 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:08,560 and he wrote out 16 pages of ones and 709 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:13,180 zeros and then promptly put the whole 710 00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:15,370 thing away and didn't really think much 711 00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:19,840 about it for years and when I've spoken 712 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,540 to him about this he said yeah it's kind 713 00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:24,880 of like he didn't really know what he 714 00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:26,980 was doing it was under a compulsion he 715 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:28,750 didn't know that it was necessarily 716 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:34,960 important well of course needless to say 717 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:36,970 when when people in the UFO community 718 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:42,550 first saw this and and saw it in the 719 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:45,550 police notebook just kind of tucked away 720 00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:47,650 after these sketches people thought well 721 00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:49,960 what the heck's this and when when he 722 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:50,740 explained the 723 00:39:58,770 --> 00:39:53,740 back story that he received this kind of 724 00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:58,780 download people reached out to computer 725 00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:00,970 programmers and I know that there was 726 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:03,820 one called Nick Sisk who had a look at 727 00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,130 this for a TV production company that 728 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:13,119 was was looking at this case and there 729 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:18,880 is a translation of this so called 730 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:23,140 binary message and the translation reads 731 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:28,710 as follows exploration of humanity 732 00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:34,360 continuous for planetary advance eyes of 733 00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:43,720 your eyes origin year 8100 now origin 734 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:48,070 here 8100 does that mean as some people 735 00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:50,610 speculate that we're dealing not with 736 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:53,740 extraterrestrial visitation but in this 737 00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:58,090 case with time travel or does it mean I 738 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:01,510 mean again I think Jim Marrs mentioned a 739 00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:05,320 case this morning in involving missing 740 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,869 time and Jim Jim certainly said that in 741 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,480 in you know that the hundreds of people 742 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:12,880 that have come to him with encounters of 743 00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:15,460 not just UFOs but alien abductions this 744 00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:19,600 whole issue of missing time throws up 745 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:23,560 that the question of time travel so are 746 00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:25,420 we dealing with human time travelers 747 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:27,060 from the future are we dealing with 748 00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:28,890 extraterrestrials who can manipulate 749 00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:32,560 space-time remember that space and time 750 00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:35,350 in terms of physics are actually viewed 751 00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,109 as a single entity space-time again I 752 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:43,359 don't know but for anyone that thinks 753 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:46,810 this is science fiction look at the work 754 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:49,390 for example being done by Professor 755 00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:51,790 Ronald Mallett again look out that name 756 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:54,040 Ronald Mallett a professor who's looking 757 00:42:01,080 --> 00:41:58,410 at time travel quite seriously look at 758 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,090 for those of you who think that things 759 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:04,000 like other dimensions is 760 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:06,010 science fiction y'all sure a few years 761 00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:09,070 ago it would have been but now look at 762 00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:10,750 the sorts of experiments that are 763 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,660 planned at the Large Hadron Collider 764 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:16,480 where it's believed that some of the 765 00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:19,210 string theory that you hear about 766 00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:22,300 actually only works in terms of 767 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:24,340 theoretical physics if there are a 768 00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:27,160 number of so-called hidden dimensions 769 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:30,520 and it may be this year as the Large 770 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:32,650 Hadron Collider powers up to 771 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:36,010 unimaginable levels of power that have 772 00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:37,690 not previously been reached that we 773 00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:41,200 perhaps draw aside the curtain of 774 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:43,950 mystery and and get a peek into the most 775 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,470 dark and mysterious secrets of the 776 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:49,990 universe so you know extraterrestrials 777 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:52,630 time travel other dimensions all these 778 00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:54,760 things that a few years ago skeptics 779 00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:57,400 scoffed at and and scientists maybe 780 00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:59,470 thought well I don't want to do that now 781 00:43:06,830 --> 00:43:01,390 they're doing it and it's happening 782 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:06,840 right now a postscript to the story of 783 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:09,910 Jim touching the side of the craft is 784 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:13,900 that both John and Jim oh and by the way 785 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:16,510 Bank back to that message exploration of 786 00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:18,610 humanity continuous for planetary 787 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:22,380 advance eyes of your eyes origin year 788 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:25,720 8100 as well as that there were a series 789 00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:29,080 of coordinates latitudinal and 790 00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:31,870 longitudinal coordinates which when they 791 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:34,990 were plotted out just so happen to 792 00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:37,150 coincide with some of the most 793 00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:40,900 mysterious and sacred sites from 794 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:43,720 humanity's past the Great Pyramids at 795 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:48,550 Giza the Temple of Apollo on the island 796 00:43:57,210 --> 00:43:52,630 of Naxos in Greece the Nazca lines in 797 00:44:00,090 --> 00:43:57,220 Peru the mysterious lost continent of 798 00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:00,100 high Brazil which is sometimes dubbed 799 00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:05,620 the Celtic Atlantis is it coincidence 800 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:10,120 that all of these sacred sites are kind 801 00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:18,740 or is it part of a hidden meaning again 802 00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:22,320 for those of you who are fans of the 803 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:25,660 ancient astronaut ancient alien theory 804 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:28,450 the idea is not just that some of 805 00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:30,250 humanity's ancient gods were 806 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:33,220 extraterrestrials but now the idea is 807 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:36,450 that these God's may be returning and 808 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:39,730 again some of the ancient texts talk 809 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:42,100 about the return of the ancient gods and 810 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:45,460 and now we get the Rendlesham message 811 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:47,890 the so called binary code whatever you 812 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:51,370 describe it at again does this mean that 813 00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:54,610 we're building up to something again I 814 00:45:02,520 --> 00:44:57,910 throw it out there John and Jim the ones 815 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:02,530 who got closest to this have medical 816 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:04,450 problems which they attribute to their 817 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:10,290 proximity to the craft they are not able 818 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:13,930 to access their military medical records 819 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:15,640 which are apparently lodged in a 820 00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,290 little-known classified section of the 821 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,720 Veterans Administration where normally 822 00:45:27,540 --> 00:45:24,880 people who are involved in Special 823 00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:27,550 Forces operations where their records 824 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:31,660 are sent well you know why why are the 825 00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:34,840 two witnesses the two main witnesses to 826 00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:37,630 the rendlesham forest incident why are 827 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:43,750 their medical records still not able to 828 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:45,370 be obtained last year there was an event 829 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:47,890 called the Citizen hearing on disclosure 830 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:50,410 I don't know how many of you heard about 831 00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:54,310 this but this was private initiative to 832 00:46:01,110 --> 00:45:57,640 say that if Congress won't do its job we 833 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:01,120 the people will do it for them and steve 834 00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:03,700 bassett and his paradigm research group 835 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:08,320 put on a an event where basically some 836 00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:11,170 retired congresspeople some Republican 837 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,140 some Democrat some libertarian came 838 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:16,960 together to hold the sorts of hearings 839 00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:20,530 on UFOs that many people believe should 840 00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:25,480 be held and you'll see the John and Jim 841 00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:28,359 in the middle there their attorney 842 00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:30,910 on the right who has helped them pro 843 00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:35,019 bono a pat Fras cognate great guy who 844 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:37,390 was given hours and hours of pro bono 845 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:40,450 work to try and help John and Jim obtain 846 00:46:48,509 --> 00:46:43,450 their medical records I'm there on the 847 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:48,519 left the former Congress people who were 848 00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:51,609 there were so outraged by the inability 849 00:46:57,299 --> 00:46:55,119 of John and Jim to access their military 850 00:47:02,460 --> 00:46:57,309 medical records that they wrote about 851 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:02,470 this directly to the secretary of the VA 852 00:47:08,249 --> 00:47:04,329 and to the President of the United 853 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,259 States to ask that these men were given 854 00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:11,200 so much loyal military service for their 855 00:47:15,809 --> 00:47:14,230 country be given what's due to them so 856 00:47:19,259 --> 00:47:15,819 that their doctors can make a proper 857 00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:19,269 diagnosis and a proper treatment plan to 858 00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:22,749 date these medical medical military 859 00:47:28,259 --> 00:47:25,420 records have yet to be forthcoming work 860 00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:28,269 on that is ongoing work on the 861 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:32,880 rendlesham code is still ongoing a 862 00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:36,130 esoteric researcher in Engler and called 863 00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:38,680 Gary Osborne is doing a lot of work a 864 00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:43,480 retired US Air Force a guy called Joe 865 00:47:51,059 --> 00:47:48,700 Luciano is doing a lot of work you know 866 00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:51,069 this is a continuing story and we're 867 00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:52,420 trying to get to the bottom of these 868 00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:54,549 issues we're trying to get more 869 00:48:00,269 --> 00:47:58,390 witnesses to afford I apologize for 870 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:00,279 having encroached a little bit onto the 871 00:48:06,089 --> 00:48:03,940 break time but I was told that I I could 872 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:06,099 do that because i am not encroaching on 873 00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:09,670 Jim's time which which I won't do but I 874 00:48:16,799 --> 00:48:11,529 will wrap up now because I see him 875 00:48:21,509 --> 00:48:16,809 staring menacingly at me and with with 876 00:48:24,809 --> 00:48:21,519 that i will just thank you very much for 877 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:24,819 listening i sadly i don't actually have 878 00:48:29,579 --> 00:48:27,430 any copies of my own book go there may 879 00:48:32,819 --> 00:48:29,589 be some kicking around somewhere it's 880 00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:32,829 it's been out in hardback for a while it 881 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:36,400 comes out in trade paperback i think on 882 00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:39,009 march the third but if there's been a 883 00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:41,780 little bit too much you know name 884 00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:45,020 and you know locations or all of the 885 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:47,630 information is in the book encounter and 886 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:50,980 Rendlesham forest i co-wrote it with 887 00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:54,170 John Burroughs and Jim Penniston and 888 00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,910 even their attorney frass cognate in a 889 00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:02,000 chapter on on the multiple foi requests 890 00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:05,150 that there are ongoing so we've we've 891 00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:08,420 told the story in that book encounter in 892 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:10,790 Rendlesham forest there's lots of TV 893 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:14,920 shows on this I think this does indeed 894 00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,110 constitute a case that justifies its 895 00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:21,200 nickname of Britain's Roswell it wasn't 896 00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:24,380 a crash but in terms of everything that 897 00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:28,160 makes a UFO case compelling multiple 898 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:30,950 witnesses military witnesses radar 899 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:34,010 physical trace evidence in terms of burn 900 00:49:39,850 --> 00:49:36,890 marks on the trees indentations in the 901 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:39,860 ground radioactivity levels and an audit 902 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:41,990 trail of government documents that say 903 00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:43,850 yeah this is exactly what happened all 904 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:47,480 those things come together in this one 905 00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:50,210 incident it's why I sometimes call it a 906 00:49:56,980 --> 00:49:53,060 perfect storm when it comes to a UFO 907 00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:56,990 case so I I think my voice has just 908 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:00,140 about held out I'm very grateful to the 909 00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,210 conference organizers for giving me this 910 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,640 time and I'm very grateful for you for 911 00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:06,680 having turned up to listen I hope found